Minneapolis VA Medical Center
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gyrfalcon
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Post subject: Minneapolis VA Medical Center  Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:52 pm |
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One Veterans Drive
Minneapolis, MN 55417
Phone: (612) 725-2000
It's a shame that veterans are unable to protect themselves coming to and from the VA.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:11 pm |
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BigRobT
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:00 pm |
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ALL Federal facilities seem to be posted. The AF reserve base is also posted.
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hammAR
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:02 pm |
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So are most (not all) of the VFW's....................go figure 
Glad that you could get up to join us BigRobT.......... 
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matt160
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:08 pm |
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I left the VFW when they endorsed Wellstone.
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Brewman
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:25 pm |
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That's "Wellstone!"
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:40 pm |
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The VA can't post under Minnesota statutes, but they can and do cite 18 USC 930:
This is what the post office sign says; I imagine the VA sign might be similar:
Read the fine print: "Except as provided in subsection d..."
Subsection D is not on the sign. Here's what the subsection says:
Quote: (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to...the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. In other words, carrying guns into a federal facility for a lawful purpose is NOT prohibited. Is carrying a gun for personal protection, on a permit issued by the state, a lawful purpose?
I think it is.
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glock+ipod
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:48 pm |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: Subsection D is not on the sign. Here's what the subsection says: Quote: (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to...the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. In other words, carrying guns into a federal facility for a lawful purpose is NOT prohibited. Is carrying a gun for personal protection, on a permit issued by the state, a lawful purpose? I think it is. Has there ever been a case involving a permit holder and 18 USC 930?
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brauchma
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:49 pm |
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Andrew Rothman wrote: The VA can't post under Minnesota statutes, but they can and do cite 18 USC 930: This is what the post office sign says; I imagine the VA sign might be similar: Read the fine print: "Except as provided in subsection d..." Subsection D is not on the sign. Here's what the subsection says: Quote: (d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to...the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. In other words, carrying guns into a federal facility for a lawful purpose is NOT prohibited. Is carrying a gun for personal protection, on a permit issued by the state, a lawful purpose? I think it is. Why can't they put Section D on those signs...Are they truly anti and want to try and fool law abiding citizens? Bugs me...
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SethB
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:47 pm |
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glock+ipod wrote: Has there ever been a case involving a permit holder and 18 USC 930? I'm not aware of any.
Test cases are for other people. Got any other people handy?
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BigRobT
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:14 pm |
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I don't live near the AF Reserve base. It's a solid hour away from me. It's posted with a non-MN compliant sign. I forget what it states, specifically. It can be read from the frontage rd. I'd be careful about taking pictures, if anybody thinks they could swing by there. I believe that it's red lettering on a white reflective background. The VA signs are more similar to what's posted at the AF Reserve base. They don't look at all like what the post office has.
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The Nanny State MUST DIE!!!
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Rip Van Winkle
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:26 pm |
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cobb
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:28 pm |
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That picture of the VA is old. I had to wait for 3 different trains before the light gave me a green arrow to go over the tracks into the VA today. They are one of my customers and am on site there ever week or so.
There is a sign posted warning of it being federal property and guns are banned, in fact I think that is what you see in the grass of the center median.
Edited to add - I just have to learn to type faster, right Rip Van Winkle.
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Erik_Pakieser
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:51 am |
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I used to be a VA police officer. It is indeed illegal to possess a firearm or ammunition on facility grounds - even in parking lots. I've seen some veterans prosecuted for having loose shotgun shells in their cars.
Something to be aware of if you go to the VA.
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cobb
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:00 am |
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Erik_Pakieser wrote: I've seen some veterans prosecuted for having loose shotgun shells in their cars.
So the VA LEO's are walking around and looking in each person's car in the parking lot? 
Also, if the veterans that got prosecuted did not have a carry permit, well the law is black and white in that case.
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