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bkrafft
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Post subject: From the Star and Sickle Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:35 pm |
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http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1213278.html
William Robiner: Answer to gun violence is this: gun control
<blockquote>Shortly after the one-month anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings, three more died in a church shooting in Idaho. In the month since the Virginia Tech ordeal, an estimated 2,430 more Americans were killed with guns. Are effective steps being taken to avoid senseless violent acts?
Some seek protection through technological solutions, like better communication. Others assume that mental health professionals should be able to discern risk and act to prevent violence, such as by hospitalizing unusual or threatening individuals. Still others figure that targeted prevention -- such as prohibiting gun sales to people who have been committed to a psychiatric institution -- will lower the risk, as if most gun violence were perpetrated by individuals with such clearly identified psychiatric problems. Such measures may seem reasonable, but they miss the larger point: the need for effective gun control.
The Virginia Tech shooter used a Glock 19 semi-automatic weapon and a Walther. In less than 10 minutes he fired approximately 170 bullets. In the face of such firepower, do even the most ardent technophiles really believe that quicker communication systems could deliver people to safety? Do those counting on the mental health system to provide a safety net lose confidence when they hear mental health professionals readily acknowledge their limited ability to predict violence? Very few of the millions of individuals suffering from mental illness constitute risk to others. Restricting gun control efforts to them is ineffective. It leaves those who have not been committed, but who far more often pull triggers, free to obtain and use their weapons of choice.
The incident at Virginia Tech was foreseeable in the sense that if such handguns are available they will, at times, be used on innocents. It will happen again on U.S. campuses, on the streets, and even in places of sanctuary. Since 1996, at least 107 individuals have been killed at U.S. schools and colleges. That hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans have died from gunshot wounds in less-publicized incidents throughout U.S. communities since Virginia Tech underscores the need to remove such destructive weapons from our society. That is the only effective step for reducing the violence.
Our nation's strategy for securing peace in other parts of the world includes ridding violent societies, such as Afghanistan or Iraq, of the widespread weapons that undermine their peace. We should demand that our federal, state, and local leaders use similar logic and strategies and muster the courage to quell the violence here by standing up to the gun lobby, and outlawing assault weapons and handguns. Why wait any longer to liberate our campuses, neighborhoods, and places of worship of the guns that make them unsafe?
William Robiner is director of health psychology in the Department of Medicine, University of Minnesota Medical School.</blockquote>Oh those darned inanimate objects making places unsafe again!
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A Brit in MN
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:51 pm |
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Do you think a rebutal for his heartfelt pablum, would be printed in the Stdribble, if it was pointed out that Dr's kill more people than guns do. Maybe he should get his "own" house in order before screaming from a bully pulpit. IMO
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Pat
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:18 pm |
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Quote: William Robiner is director of health psychology in the Department of Medicine, University of Minnesota Medical School.
So how does this make him an expert on urban crime?
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Inebrius
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:58 pm |
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Silly you for attempting to apply logic to liberal media...
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Pat
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:02 pm |
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And what do you want to bet that he doesn't live in North Mpls?
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mnglocker
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:42 pm |
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Pat wrote: Quote: William Robiner is director of health psychology in the Department of Medicine, University of Minnesota Medical School. So how does this make him an expert on urban crime?
It makes him a prime example of a group that doesn't want to be held accountable for not having nutjobs put into the funny house.
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Srigs
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:17 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:48 pm |
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"William Robiner: Answer to gun violence is this: gun control"
What ticks me off about people like this is they have absolutely NO common sense. Even IF guns were outlawed there is just no way that it could be 100% unilaterally enforced-it is unbelievable how supposedly smart people can be so detached from reality-and this one is a psychologist with administrative connections??? Legally or illegally there will ALWAYS be guns in America Mr Psychologist. "From my cold dead hands!" Sorry for the rant...
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Rip Van Winkle
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:59 am |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:24 am |
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Unfortunately, there are far too many of these quacks supported by our tax dollars.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:51 am |
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Quote: Our nation's strategy for securing peace in other parts of the world includes ridding violent societies, such as Afghanistan or Iraq, of the widespread weapons that undermine their peace
Well, good luck with that. Oh, and did anyone notice, he's a professor?
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Post subject: Re: From the Star and Sickle Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:54 am |
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William Robiner wrote: Our nation's strategy for securing peace in other parts of the world includes ridding violent societies, such as Afghanistan or Iraq, of the widespread weapons that undermine their peace. We should demand that our federal, state, and local leaders use similar logic and strategies and muster the courage to quell the violence here by standing up to the gun lobby, and outlawing assault weapons and handguns.
Dr. Dumbass doesn't know what he's talking about. The official policy is to permit the Iraqis to keep one AK47 in their home for personal protection.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:32 am |
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Quote: In the month since the Virginia Tech ordeal, an estimated 2,430 more Americans were killed with guns
Thats a lot...
Am I reading something wrong here? Did something happen that I missed in the news?
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Post subject: Re: From the Star and Sickle Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:33 am |
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DeanC wrote: William Robiner wrote: Our nation's strategy for securing peace in other parts of the world includes ridding violent societies, such as Afghanistan or Iraq, of the widespread weapons that undermine their peace. We should demand that our federal, state, and local leaders use similar logic and strategies and muster the courage to quell the violence here by standing up to the gun lobby, and outlawing assault weapons and handguns. Dr. Dumbass doesn't know what he's talking about. The official policy is to permit the Iraqis to keep one AK47 in their home for personal protection.
That'd be a good idea here, too. One full-auto per household, without a permit, more if you get one. AK's for all!
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dismal
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:38 am |
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e5usmc wrote: Quote: In the month since the Virginia Tech ordeal, an estimated 2,430 more Americans were killed with guns Thats a lot... Am I reading something wrong here? Did something happen that I missed in the news?
There's somewhere around 30,000 firearms deaths in the US per year, about 2500 per month.
http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/glance/tables/frmdth.htm
Well over half are suicides...
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