Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV
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phorvick
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Post subject: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:20 pm |
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From the NRA: Thursday, June 25, 2009 Effective, July 1, Nevada will no longer recognize Right-to-Carry permits from Utah or Florida. They have, however, added Ohio and West Virginia as recognized states. Each May, the Nevada Department of Public Safety conducts an audit of states and their Right-to-Carry laws for the purpose of determining which states it will recognize. The Nevada DPS dropped Utah because it does not have a live fire requirement, which is a part of Nevada's training requirements. When the Nevada DPS first began its state by state audit of Right-to-Carry laws in 2007, DPS admitted to NRA representatives that they overlooked the live fire training requirement. After further review, they determined that Utah wasn't similar enough to keep it on the list of recognized states. Florida will no longer be recognized because its permits are now valid for seven years instead of five. The Nevada DPS and the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs will be hosting their annual Right-to-Carry forum in Carson City in August with a teleconference feed to Las Vegas. We encourage all members to attend this informational meeting. Details will be forthcoming. Please continue checking your email and www.NRAILA.org for updates.
_________________ Paul Horvick
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:18 pm |
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Well, crap. I don't see why Minnesota doesn't appear on Nevada's "substantially similar" list. Because we don't do fingerprints and photographs? Because we don't sign off in specific guns? Sheesh. http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRs/NRS-202. ... 202Sec3653Also, the state needs the approval of the Chiefs and Sheriffs Association to accept another state's permit. That's fucked, right there. Quote: Florida will no longer be recognized because its permits are now valid for seven years instead of five.
That's REALLY fucked. That has nothing to do with this: Quote: 1. On or before July 1 of each year, the Department shall: (a) Examine the requirements for the issuance of a permit to carry a concealed firearm in each state and determine whether the requirements of each state are substantially similar to or more stringent than the requirements set forth in NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive. This is political. I don't know why, but it has nothing to do with objective evaluation.
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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phorvick
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:31 pm |
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Although I have no reason to dispute the NRA e-mail, I did call Nevada and all they will say is that any such decision will be made pursuant to statute on July 1, 2009. So, I assume that it is more or less under wraps until then. I suppose there is always some possibility of pressure on the authorities and they will change their minds.
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:50 pm |
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Sufficient pressure? I dunno. Pressure? Sure. If even a few trips -- and preferably a convention or two -- get cancelled in the interim, out of concern for the upcoming decision, and that information is conveyed to the LVCofC, pressure will be brought to bear.
Enough? Probably not. Will it happen at all? I doubt it; there's lots of folks who will complain and then do nothing. Me, I'm not complaining -- no skin off mine, after all.
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gman1868
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:53 pm |
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Las Vegas and No carry. Now I have two reasons to avoid NV.
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kimberman
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:38 am |
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From the Nevada DPS site: Quote: Out of State Carry Concealed Weapon Permit Recognition
Effective July 1, 2009
In accordance with NRS 202.3689 (effective October 1, 2007) the State of Nevada will recognize the following States' CCW permit holders:
Alaska Arkansas Kansas Louisiana Michigan Missouri Nebraska Ohio Tennessee West Virginia
This law allows holders of valid permits from these states to carry a concealed weapon while in the State of Nevada. The permit must be in the possession of the issue at all times while carrying a firearm.
Please note that Nevada no longer recognizes CCW permits issued by Utah and Florida. For additional information, please refer to the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association press release link: NVSCA CCW Press Release
CCW Prohibited Locations defined by NRS 202.3673 http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/ccw_changes.shtmlI believe that NONE of these states issue to non-residents. One has to wonder why Minnesota isn't on the list.
_________________ President of AACFI, GOCRA, CCRN, and A2A
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larryflew
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:50 am |
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Maybe you answered the question yourself since MN does issue to non-residents.
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kimberman
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:56 pm |
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larryflew wrote: Maybe you answered the question yourself since MN does issue to non-residents. Yes, but the Nevada authorities have never SAID that the residence of the permit holder was significant. If so, they NEVER would have initially recognized Florida and Utah or gone to the trouble of making up other reasons. Nope, it some sort of backroom Sheriff's Assn. politics at work here. Note: The NRA agreed to this provision in the Nevada law: Quote: NRS 202.3689 (c) ... A state must not be included in the list unless the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association agrees with the Department that the state should be included in the list.
_________________ President of AACFI, GOCRA, CCRN, and A2A
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MostlyHarmless
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Post subject: Re: Utah and FL permits no longer valid in NV Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:58 pm |
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I think this is a case study in the importance of dealing with reciprocity at the federal level. Not only are the states handling it badly, they are doing so with little warning and in an arbitrary and capricious fashion. The Minnesota situation shows that even a well-written law can be screwed up by law enforcement interests opposed to carry.
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