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| Author: | RobD [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Safe Recomendations... |
I'm looking for some help on selecting a long gun safe, and I have no idea where to start. I know I want something watertight and fire rating of an hour (or more)... Need room for 6 long guns, but would like a bit of extra room. Would like to keep it below $1000 shipped. Less is better, but I don't want crap. Can anyone tell me where to start, or where to stay away? |
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| Author: | jac714 [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
I have heard good things about Robbinsdale safe (on 81 near the Crystal airport) They used to supply the safes that were on display at Bill's south and those were some nice safes. |
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| Author: | cobb [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
Isn't that Robbinsdale Knife and Safe? That is where I got my American Security safes years ago, but I thought they were out of business. |
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| Author: | jac714 [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
cobb wrote: Isn't that Robbinsdale Knife and Safe? That is where I got my American Security safes years ago, but I thought they were out of business. Not out of business, just moved to Brooklyn Park. If you google Robbinsdale Safe And Knife you will find their website. |
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| Author: | clevang [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
jac714 wrote: cobb wrote: Isn't that Robbinsdale Knife and Safe? That is where I got my American Security safes years ago, but I thought they were out of business. Not out of business, just moved to Brooklyn Park. If you google Robbinsdale Safe And Knife you will find their website. I think they moved again to Rogers, behind Napa Auto, near Denny's. |
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| Author: | Scott Hughes [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
I bought mine at Sportmans Wharehouse (out of business now) a few years back. It cost me about $750.00, weighs about 600#, easily will fit 20 long guns, lots of shelf area for hand guns, ammo, and other stuff. It has a mechanical combination lock which was my preference vs. the electronic option. Safes can be found at any of the outdoor stores, or from companies that sell primarily safes. There can be a big swing in prices for safes dependent on the features you decide you want. Several of my friends have bought safes that Menards sells. Although they might not be the top end of products available they were comparably cheap and suitable enough in meeting their security concerns. There is one thing Incakola that you mentioned and that was that you desired the safe to be watertight, I'm not sure if that is a feature very many safes offer. |
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| Author: | kecker [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
Scott Hughes wrote: There is one thing Incakola that you mentioned and that was that you desired the safe to be watertight, I'm not sure if that is a feature very many safes offer. I'm always a little bewildered when I see safes that are fire rated but not water tight. How do they think that fire is going to disappear? |
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| Author: | cobb [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
kecker wrote: I'm always a little bewildered when I see safes that are fire rated but not water tight. How do they think that fire is going to disappear? Exactly. Your safe is in the basement, maybe before the fire started, if not, it will be relocated to the basement sometime during the fire if it gets hot enough to worry about the safe's fire rating. Now the floor drain is plugged within a couple hundred gallons of water being dumped by the local fire department and after a couple thousand gallons, how much water is the gun safe sitting in? The home owner will not be able to get to the safe until long after water has seeped inside the safe and is being absorbed by the wood stocks and humidifying all the metal parts. |
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| Author: | Hunter07 [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
Here's an interesting safe I just found online. http://www.bedgunsafe.com/ |
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| Author: | gyrfalcon [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
Incakola wrote: ...I know I want something watertight and fire rating of an hour (or more)... Need room for 6 long guns, but would like a bit of extra room... Most safes have a Palusol seal that expands when it's exposed to high temperatures. When the seal expands it basically prevents water from entering the safe. When you talk about something being watertight you get into many other factors. If I took 99.99% of the safes people have on these forums and dumped them in the middle of lake Minnetonka they would fail to be watertight...( even if they were exposed to heat) If you have a standard safe with a palusol seal and it is exposed to heat, and then soaked with a fire hose it will prevent water from entering the safe. If you live on a flood plane and your house is flooded the contents of the safe will be soaked. UL Safe ratings are generally a good idea of how they'll stand up to fire and burglary attacks. Do a Google search for "TRTL 30x6" and you'll get an idea of what a high quality safe is. Then you can reduce the specifications to meet your criteria. A few links: http://www.graffundersafes.com http://www.libertysafe.com http://www.amsecusa.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M |
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| Author: | gyrfalcon [ Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
kecker wrote: I'm always a little bewildered when I see safes that are fire rated but not water tight. How do they think that fire is going to disappear? High temperatures generally melt rubber gaskets and other seals that would prevent water from entering a safe. Palusol will expand and seal a safe from smoke and water, but it needs to be exposed to heat to do so. I suppose they could engineer a safe that has water & fire seals, but that would be fairly cost prohibitive in many regards. I have safes that are "waterproof" (ETL waterproof seal) that basically means they can sit in 2' of water for 72 hours without leaking. If you had a safe in your basement it could easily be exposed to over 2' of water and compromised. |
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| Author: | RobD [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safe Recomendations... |
gyrfalcon wrote: Incakola wrote: ...I know I want something watertight and fire rating of an hour (or more)... Need room for 6 long guns, but would like a bit of extra room... Most safes have a Palusol seal that expands when it's exposed to high temperatures. When the seal expands it basically prevents water from entering the safe. When you talk about something being watertight you get into many other factors. If I took 99.99% of the safes people have on these forums and dumped them in the middle of lake Minnetonka they would fail to be watertight...( even if they were exposed to heat) Good to know... I did not need the watertight for flooding, but rather the in case of fire, occurrence. |
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