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 Is this really true? Gun racks now legal in MN? 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:11 pm 
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Just heard from someone that gunracks are now legal in MN. I can harldy believe that, I tried looking through the gun laws but all i could come up with is the sept. 1999 manual, and the 2003 carry laws. Has anyone else heard this? From what i could understand you can have a gun(s) in your gun rack uncased and unloaded in your back window, but that is just a rumor that someone heard from somone else so what I heard is 4th or 5th hand and thats why i am having a hard time believing that.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:19 pm 
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I think that was the BILL they dangled in front of us, yanked it and then made it harder to transport firearms in the 7 county metro.

If I recall correctly.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:36 pm 
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The current version of the law does not seem to be on-line yet. When it is, it should be here. Currently the 2008 version is still up.

The 2009 MN Hunting regulations read as follows:
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A person may not transport a firearm, including a handgun, in or on a motor vehicle unless the firearm is:
• unloaded* and cased;
• unloaded* and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or
• carried under a valid permit to carry a pistol or handgun.

Under the following circumstances, a person may transport unloaded, uncased firearms (excluding pistols) in a motor vehicle, including ATVs:
• while at a shooting range with permission
• while lawfully hunting on private or public land or while traveling to or from a site the person intends to hunt or has lawfully hunted that day.

Firearms must be transported unloaded and cased:
• within Anoka, Hennepin, or Ramsey counties.
• within an area where firearms discharge has been prohibited.
• within the boundaries of a home rule, charter, or statutory city with a population of 2,500 or more.
• on school grounds
• as otherwise restricted in game refuges, shining or night vision laws.

* An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm with a flintlock ignition is unloaded if it does not have priming powder in a pan. A muzzle-loading firearm with percussion ignition is unloaded
if it does not have a percussion cap on a nipple.


So, I guess you could put your uncased gun in a window rack in the back of your pickup truck, but there are numerous reasons you wouldn't want to do that unless you were just a lazy sporting clays shooter driving from shooting station to shooting station.

If you want further clarification or advice, I suggest you contact one of these guys: Rep.David.Dill@house.mn, Rep.Tony.Cornish@house.mn, Rep.Marty.Seifert@house.mn.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:55 pm 
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Here is the new statute:
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97B.045 TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS.
Subdivision 1.Restrictions.

A person may not transport a firearm in a motor vehicle unless the firearm is:

(1) unloaded and in a gun case expressly made to contain a firearm, and the case fully encloses the firearm by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened, and without any portion of the firearm exposed;

(2) unloaded and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or

(3) a handgun carried in compliance with sections 624.714 and 624.715.

Subd. 2.Exception for disabled persons.

The restrictions in subdivision 1 do not apply to a disabled person if:

(1) the person possesses a permit under section 97B.055, subdivision 3; and

(2) the firearm is not loaded in the chamber until the vehicle is stationary, or is a hinge action firearm with the action open until the vehicle is stationary.

Subd. 3.Exceptions; hunting and shooting ranges.

(a) Notwithstanding provisions to the contrary under this chapter, a person may transport an unloaded, uncased firearm, excluding a pistol as defined in paragraph (b), in a motor vehicle while at a shooting range, as defined under section 87A.01, subdivision 3, where the person has received permission from the lawful owner or possessor to discharge firearms; lawfully hunting on private or public land; or travelling to or from a site the person intends to hunt lawfully that day or has hunted lawfully that day, unless:

(1) within Anoka, Hennepin, or Ramsey County;

(2) within an area where the discharge of a firearm has been prohibited under section 471.633;

(3) within the boundaries of a home rule charter or statutory city with a population of 2,500 or more;

(4) on school grounds; or

(5) otherwise restricted under section 97A.091, 97B.081, or 97B.086.

(b) For the purposes of this section, a "pistol" includes a weapon designed to be fired by the use of a single hand and with an overall length less than 26 inches, or having a barrel or barrels of a length less than 18 inches in the case of a shotgun or having a barrel of a length less than 16 inches in the case of a rifle:

(1) from which may be fired or ejected one or more solid projectiles by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances; or

(2) for which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, air or other gas, or vapor.

Pistol does not include a device firing or ejecting a shot measuring .18 of an inch, or less, in diameter and commonly known as a "BB gun," a scuba gun, a stud gun or nail gun used in the construction industry, or children's pop guns or toys.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:15 pm 
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DeanC wrote:
The current version of the law does not seem to be on-line yet. When it is, it should be here. Currently the 2008 version is still up.

The 2009 MN Hunting regulations read as follows:
Quote:
A person may not transport a firearm, including a handgun, in or on a motor vehicle unless the firearm is:
• unloaded* and cased;
• unloaded* and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or
• carried under a valid permit to carry a pistol or handgun.

Under the following circumstances, a person may transport unloaded, uncased firearms (excluding pistols) in a motor vehicle, including ATVs:
• while at a shooting range with permission
• while lawfully hunting on private or public land or while traveling to or from a site the person intends to hunt or has lawfully hunted that day.

Firearms must be transported unloaded and cased:
• within Anoka, Hennepin, or Ramsey counties.
• within an area where firearms discharge has been prohibited.
• within the boundaries of a home rule, charter, or statutory city with a population of 2,500 or more.
• on school grounds
• as otherwise restricted in game refuges, shining or night vision laws.

* An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm with a flintlock ignition is unloaded if it does not have priming powder in a pan. A muzzle-loading firearm with percussion ignition is unloaded
if it does not have a percussion cap on a nipple.


So, I guess you could put your uncased gun in a window rack in the back of your pickup truck, but there are numerous reasons you wouldn't want to do that unless you were just a lazy sporting clays shooter driving from shooting station to shooting station.

If you want further clarification or advice, I suggest you contact one of these guys: Rep.David.Dill@house.mn, Rep.Tony.Cornish@house.mn, Rep.Marty.Seifert@house.mn.


You could also ask the NRA. I'm sure our local rep would be happy to explain just how this law screws....I mean helps...HELPS us. (cough cough gag gag)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:20 am 
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DeanC wrote:
* An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm.



Glad I read that again, I thought for a second that loaded magazines were considered loaded guns...



If I keep loaded mags in my gun case but out of my rifle am I legal?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:30 am 
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DeanC wrote:
* An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm.



Glad I read that again, I thought for a second that loaded magazines were considered loaded guns...



If I keep loaded mags in my gun case but out of my rifle am I legal?
Sure. As long as you never, ever venture over any of the invisible lines that will turn you into a criminal by having your unloaded long gun in your gun rack.

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72_chev_truck wrote:
DeanC wrote:
* An “unloaded” firearm is defined as a firearm without ammunition in the barrels and magazine, if the magazine is in the firearm.



Glad I read that again, I thought for a second that loaded magazines were considered loaded guns...



If I keep loaded mags in my gun case but out of my rifle am I legal?
Sure. As long as you never, ever venture over any of the invisible lines that will turn you into a criminal by having your unloaded long gun in your gun rack.



Let me rephrase that,

Having my loaded magazines inside the gun case with my rifle inside my gun case.


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Maybe this law will create more permit holders??


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JimC wrote:
Maybe this law will create more permit holders??


"Hunters - get your permit today, to make it easier to comply with the new, confusing hunting regulations!

SPECIAL BONUS - you can carry a pistol when not hunting!"


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Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet.

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Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet.

Yup. It should be otherwise -- the simple alternative to Chris Rager's bizarre "uncased and unloaded" bill would have been to put an exception in all the state carrying/transportation laws for people with carry permits, and maybe add, "and we really mean it!" -- but it isn't.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:54 pm 
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DeanC wrote:
Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet.


True, I sometimes forget about the DNR's thinking that they are the absolute. *sigh*

Just because someone is in possession of a firearm, doesn't mean they're going hunting or poaching. (I've never done either. All I've ever shot were tree branches, pop cans, water jugs, paper and expired fruit and vegetables - the last work great as a demonstration of hollow points, and caliber considerations)


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I posted a Strib article here:

http://www.twincitiescarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=14188


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:49 pm 
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Now wait- others said with a permit you can carry a long gun.




DeanC wrote:
Your carry permit does nothing for you while transporting long guns other than take up space in your wallet.


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