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 Guns save lives, swords do not. 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:47 pm 
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Sword Incident Proves Guns Save Lives: With one swift slash from a samurai sword, John Pontolillo made a convincing case for ... private ownership of handguns? Oh, you betcha. Pontolillo is an undergraduate at Johns Hopkins University. Before Sept. 15, that’s all he was - one of the many JHU students who have to bust their humps studying so they can graduate from one of the most challenging and academically competitive campuses in the country. But nine days ago, Pontolillo went from being a simple college guy to being in the center of a maelstrom that developed after he slashed a burglar in the backyard of a house he shared with fellow JHU students. Pontolillo used a samurai sword to defend himself after the burglar lunged at him. With one swish he nearly severed the burglar’s left hand and pierced his chest. The man bled to death before paramedics arrived… Let’s ponder how the scenario would have played out had Pontolillo been armed not with a samurai sword, but a handgun. Would Rice have been so quick to lunge? Would he have turned tail and skedaddled, which is what criminals tend to do when confronted with gun-toting, law-abiding citizens? I can see the scenario: Pontolillo says to Rice, “Mr. Burglar, I’d like you to meet two of my best buddies ever, those esteemed Americans Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. You might want to stay put until police arrive.” And Rice would have done so. Or fled. Bottom line: He’d be alive today to tell the tale. So private ownership of firearms actually saves lives, and could have saved Rice’s…


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:42 pm 
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Interesting take on the situation. More guns! Do it for the (criminal) children!

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Sword of interesting... :twisted:
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:39 am 
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If someone could refresh my memory. Didn't someone in the Twin Cities defend themselves with sword a couple of years ago too?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:17 pm 
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If someone could refresh my memory. Didn't someone in the Twin Cities defend themselves with sword a couple of years ago too?


Yep, sure did. Happened around 4 years ago. Here is an article about it from the MNDaily.

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Armed robbers hit market near U
Publish Date:
10/12/2005
Reporter:
Kevin McCahill [1]
[2]
Blurb:
Two robbers got away with more than $8,000 in cash and cigarettes Tuesday from Santana Deli and Foods, but not
before one got the business end of a sword.
Two robbers got away with more than $8,000 in cash and cigarettes Tuesday from Santana Deli and Foods, but not
before one got the business end of a sword.
At approximately 1 a.m. Tuesday, two gunmen entered the front entrance of the market in the 600 block of University
Avenue Southeast and held an employee, Shawn Phillips, at gunpoint, according to the Minneapolis Police Department
report and business owner Abed Hassuneh.
Hassuneh described the two men as approximately 6 feet tall with a medium build. He said both men wore heavy
jackets and tied shirts over their faces.
They stole approximately $2,000 in cigarettes, $1,700 from the cash register and $4,700 from the office, Hassuneh said.
After viewing the events through his surveillance equipment in the upstairs apartment, Hassuneh said, he locked the
front door of the business from the outside, trying to trap the thieves.
Hassuneh said he doesn't own a gun, but was carrying a "small sword" during the incident, he said.
Hassuneh then called police, and a nearby officer arrived.
After finding an exit in the rear of the store, one man escaped after being chased by an officer, he said. Hassuneh held
the back door closed until the officer returned. The other man broke open the rear door, knocked down the officer and
escaped. Hassuneh said he was able to cut the running thief on his bicep with the sword.
A supplemental report was not available at press time.
"It's getting worse here every day," Hassuneh said about safety in the area.
As he spoke, he soldered part of a gate that will now surround his business.
"Now we are gating up and arming ourselves," he said.
Hassuneh said he believes the men were looking for money to buy drugs.
Hassuneh, along with his brother, Jamal Hassuneh, own the Santana Deli and Foods on Fourth Street.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:12 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:21 pm 
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There also was an incident a couple years back on S Lyndale (IIRC 3200 or 3300 block), where some guys invaded the 3rd floor apartment of another group of guys, and one got cut with a katana. The word was the perps and victims were not unknown to each other (something like one group sold the other some drugs, and the returning group decided they wanted both the drugs and the money). The guy who got cut lost some function in his arm.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:23 pm 
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held an employee, Shawn Phillips, at gunpoint
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After viewing the events through his surveillance equipment in the upstairs apartment, Hassuneh said, he locked the front door of the business from the outside, trying to trap the thieves.


I'd have been kinda pissed if I were Shawn Phillips.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:53 am 
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Maybe it was the Lyndale one I can't remeber, just that it happened before & will happen again.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:00 am 
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Did a little leg work. It was August 06, and the 3100 block of Lyndale S.

A Hossem Chalbi lost a finger. He and two others were arrested, Iman Ahmed Abdelhakim and Mohammed Khalil.

I did a bit more looking at it. Seems Mr. Chalbi is already dead, not even 20 years old.

Ah, here's the original:

Three teens charged in sword attack
The victim of a burglary turned the tables on his attackers, leaving one minus a finger, charges say.
Margaret Zack, Star Tribune

Last update: August 11, 2006 – 11:30 PM
Three teenagers were charged Friday with a sword attack in a south Minneapolis apartment that left one of them with only four fingers on one hand.

The finger was found in the entryway, the sword was in the bathroom and broken pieces of a gun were in the living room, according to court documents released Friday.

All three are charged with two counts of first-degree burglary involving an assault, which occurred at 3:30 a.m. Wednesday in an apartment in the 3100 block of Lyndale Avenue S.

The suspects are: Hossem Chalbi, 18, of Minneapolis, charged as an adult; and Iman Ahmed Abdelhakim, 17, of Columbia Heights, and Mohammed Khalil, 16, of Minneapolis, both charged as juveniles. The severed finger belonged to Khalil, according to court documents.

Hennepin County Attorney Amy Klobuchar said her office is seeking to have the juveniles tried as adults.

Hyet Chalbi, Hossem Chalbi's mother, said Friday that her son, who remains jailed, called her and said he doesn't know what happened.

She said her son is a "nice boy" who's never been in trouble. And since she had an accident at work and can't walk, "He helps me with everything. He cleans the house every day. He listens to me."

She also described the other suspects as "nice boys."

Court documents gave this account:

When police arrived at the apartment building, they found a bloody trail leading to the apartment, where they saw evidence of a struggle and blood all around.

They also found pieces of a wooden sword sheath throughout the apartment.

Two men were in the apartment when one answered the door and a man with a gun forced his way in. Three males followed him. As the victims were forced to lay on the floor, the intruders found the sword.

One victim struggled with an intruder for the gun while the other victim won a battle for a samurai sword.

That victim started swinging the sword at the four men, and he eventually chased the intruders from the apartment.

Chalbi was badly cut on his arm "consistent with a sword slash," and Khalil lost a finger and had cuts to his abdomen, the charges said.

Abdelhakim was released from custody Friday afternoon and is under house arrest.

Police Lt. Gregory Reinhardt said there are more witnesses to be interviewed and that one suspect remains at large.

Margaret Zack • 612-673-7212

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:15 am 
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first degree burglary and assault and one of the guys had a gun. he has been release on house arrest? Maybe it is me, but if you get a DUI you can end up on house arrest/monitor. Does something seem wrong with him being on house arrest for invasion and assault and a gun being used in this even if he did not hold it?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:31 pm 
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I'm sure the real story of why these "nice boys" were trying to kill each other will only be known to them and they couldn't tell the police the real reason for the break in. Mom apparently doesn't grasp the severity of what was going on.


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