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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:03 pm 
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http://www.gazetteextra.com/concealcarry012606.asp

Senate overrides concealed carry veto; Assembly next to decide

(Published Thursday, January 26, 2006 01:54:04 PM CST)

By Todd Richmond
Associated Press

MADISON, Wis. - The state Senate overrode Gov. Jim Doyle's veto of a bill that would let state residents carry concealed weapons Thursday.

The Senate voted 23-10 to override the veto. A successful override in that house takes a two-thirds majority, or 22 votes. Republicans control the chamber 19-14. Four Democrats - Roger Breske of Eland, Russ Decker of Schofield, Julie Lassa of Stevens Point and Jeff Plale of South Milwaukee, voted to override, snubbing Doyle, a Democrat.

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http://www.legis.state.wi.us/insession/assembly/index.htm

First thing on their plate Monday, adjourned for friday.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:59 am 
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The WCCA says that the override vote will be Tuesday.

Anybody that can make a road trip to Madison is encouraged to do so. :)

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From: Dick Baker <wisconsinconcealedcarry.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 27, 2006 2:31 am

Dear fellow gun owner:

The time for reckoning is at hand. The Wisconsin state Assembly will vote on
Governor Doyle's veto of the Personal Protection Act concealed carry bill
(SB403) on Tuesday, January 31.

Our victory--or our defeat, if you allow it--will be decided on that day.

We've come a long way since 1992, when Representative Gunderson's bill was
just that: a bill, but a bill with no sponsors, or even committee votes.

In 2004, we lost the veto override by just one vote, when a former sponsor
and supporter of the bill gave his allegiance to Governor Doyle, rather than
to his constituents.

This Tuesday is the best chance we've ever had to finally give Wisconsin
citizens the right to CHOOSE whether they would like to have a means for
self defense.

Nobody is telling people that they have to get a concealed carry permit just
to buy a gun. Contrary to what you may have heard from certain
self-interested groups in Wisconsin, this bill does not require a registry
of gun owners, fingerprinting, or any other hyped-up claims.

This bill is simply about giving you, your family members, or your friends,
the ability to legally carry a weapon for self defense against violent
criminals. Since 1873, Wisconsin citizens have been denied that right. 46
states now recognize that right. In just a matter of weeks, Nebraska will
likely become the 47th state to recognize the right of citizens to carry
weapons for self defense.

Opponents of our bill, including Governor Doyle, argue that Wisconsin
doesn't need this law, because we have a relatively low crime rate. Tell
that to any of the roughly 12,000 Wisconsin citizens who are the victims of
murder, attempted murder, rape, assault, armed robbery, and other violent
crimes every year. Many of those victims are now among the voices calling
for passage of this bill.

Governor Doyle doesn't have to worry about carrying a concealed handgun,
knife, or other means of self defense. He's constantly surrounded by some
three dozen armed bodyguards. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, another critic of
this bill, has an entourage of bodyguards who have fully-automatic M16
rifles at hand.

The political elite see no need for this bill, because they have hired
people to do the "dirty work" for them, if necessary.

Similarly, there are some in the gun community who don't see a need for this
bill because they don't think it will affect them. Some think that they live
in communities where violent crime is rare.

Perhaps.

Until it happens to you.

And it can happen anywhere.

Even if you've never been affected by violent crime, don't you think you owe
it to your fellow citizens who've been victims to give them the
right--again, the right to CHOOSE--whether or not they would go through
training and licensing in order to legally have a means to self defense?

In the past, when gun owners have hung together, we've made enormous
strides: the Right to Keep and Bear Arms amendment, the pre-emption law that
struck down Madison's handgun ban, the Right to Hunt, Fish, and Trap
amendment, the Range Protection Act, and more.

Make no mistake: the fight on Tuesday will not be about the merits of the
Personal Protection Act. The arguments have been heard, and the various
sides have taken their positions.

The fight on Tuesday will be purely political. It will pit the gun owners of
Wisconsin against the anti-gun forces, led in full force by Governor Doyle's
lobbyists, a governor whose 12-year record as Attorney General should leave
no doubt that he is a dyed-in-the-wool True Believer in gun bans.

In 2001, then-Attorney General Jim Doyle suggested a piece of legislation
that would have banned all ammunition except that designed for single-shot
firearms. The author of the bill, former state Senator Jim Baumgart
(D-Sheboygan), suffered a crushing election defeat because he authored the
bill.

Perhaps Jim Baumgart might have some advice for Sheboygan Representative
Terry Van Akkeren, who has voted for the Personal Protection Act three
times, including a veto override vote in 2004, but is now waffling on his
stance.

The same advice should be given to Representative John Steinbrink of
southeastern Kenosha county. Representative Steinbrink has now voted for the
Personal Protection Act four times, including a vote to override Doyle's
veto in 2004.

Governor Doyle is now reeling from secret grand jury investigations into his
fund-raising scandals by the US Attorney's office. That's why he's been over
in Iraq this week, as far as he can get from the WI news media.

Your message should be loud and clear to those who would think about
crossing Wisconsin gun owners: hitch your star to Doyle, and you will be
defeated in the November elections.

Next Tuesday, we need the largest turnout of gun owners that the state
Capitol has ever seen. We need to demonstrate the overwhelming power that
gun owners wield in this state. Time and again, we've proven that nothing
happens in the legislature unless gun owners approve.

It's time for you to show your power again.

Please make every effort possible to be at the Capitol on Tuesday by about
11 am. When you arrive, stop by Senator Dave Zien's office (Room 15 South)
for some PPA supporter stickers. (He'll also have some of the best venison
sausage and buffalo jerky you've ever tasted. Also, if you have some old
brass you don't plan on reloading, Senator Zien would appreciate it if you
brought it along. He's looking to pave his driveway with brass cases. Is
this guy a gunner or not?).

In the meantime, please continue to contact Representatives Terry Van
Akkeren and John Steinbrink. Their contact information is:

Representative John Steinbrink (608) 266-0455
rep.steinbrink@legis.state.wi.us

Representative Terry Van Akkeren (608) 266-0656
rep.vanakkeren@legis.state.wi.us

Representative Gunderson, Senator Zien, the NRA, the WI Pro-Gun Movement,
Sporting Heritage Inc, the Wisconsin Rifle and Pistol Association, the WCCA,
and other groups have done all that we can to bring us to this point.

Our victory or defeat now depends solely upon you and your friends, and your
committment to making Wisconsin a "Free State."

With your help, we can win. It's that simple.

Thanks,
The Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association

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* NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.


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As most of you know, Wisconsin did not gather the votes to override Governor Doyle's veto because of some flip flop Democrats. Here was a letter that was written in response to that failure.

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Edmund Burke once said, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for one good man to stand back and do nothing." Today, evil triumphed again, but this time it was not just one good man standing back, it was 34 good people standing back... all of them voting nay to bill SB403. There are a few dates I will always remember.. 8-29-92, 3-12-02, 2-03-04, 7-30-05 and 1-31-06. ALL of these dates are dates that I had my civil rights, my political rights, my personal rights and my human rights violated. The first date is the date I was raped, the second- the day the democratic party tabled the bill, third- a single Representative voted against the bill to quash it from becoming a law, the fourth- the day my home was robbed, while I slept in my bed, and the fifth- today... the day that made me feel abandoned, ignored, discarded, punished, violated and unprotected once again, except this time, it was by 34 people.

I don't have the answers to the questions my children asked me today as I sat crying at my computer. I can't explain to them why a law abiding citizen of this state can not protect herself, her children nor anyone else. I can't tell them how to protect themselves as they get older other than to carry a cell phone in their hands and a prayer in their hearts. I can't tell them why we don't have the rights that our founding fathers gave us and wrote on the Declaration of Independence. And I can't explain how it feels to be told in other words that I don't matter, that my personal safety doesn't matter and that preventing another attack on myself or one of them isn't important enough to other law abiding citizens that are supposed to represent Wisconsin residents, but that partisanship means the world to some.

Since I am unable to have the CHOICE of how to protect myself, could someone please answer a couple of questions for me??? What am I supposed to do if it happens to me again? What am I allowed to carry for protection legally? What do your Representatives and Senators suggest is the best form of protection?


All I wanted was another choice... other than a cell phone. Why am I so wrong and how can 46 other states be so wrong? Someone please explain this to me.

Teresa Sweet



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Here is a link to go with the above letter from Teresa Sweet.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/sep0 ... rmat=print


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The outcome of this CCW effort was decided in the last election. When Doyle and other far-left democrats are put into office, what do people expect that they are going to do?

So we spend a lot of time making calls, writing letters, sending emails, and trying to win people over. Some people have their minds already made up, and these people are voted into office OVER and OVER with the votes of many gun owners and falsely so-called sportmen who own guns and "hunt" but vote for anti-2A candidates in every freakin' election.

There are a lot of so-called sportsmen that need to be reached because they are in favor of the scary-looking gun ban, they are anti-carry, and think that having a 10 rnd mag somehow makes the world safer. These people are idiots and I blame the sportsmen of Wisconsin. for this outrage. They vote democrat and now they have gotten what they voted for.

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