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mostlylawabidingcitizen
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Post subject: CC to the rescue of LEO Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:18 am |
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Saw this "mentioned" on the news the other night with a video of the struggle but stranglly there was no mention of the a CC holder coming to the aid of the LEO.... Hmmm wonder why that was...
I love the opinion of one on Keep and bear arms regarding this:
Quote: ...Somebody tell the brass that if they don't want to give credit to the civillian for saving the officer, then the brass should tell their officers to stopping screaming for help when their getting an a&& kicking. http://keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/read_comments.asp?nl=10509538176408&tmpD=02%2F22%2F2006Story URLs http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2343136.htmland http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1582403/poststhe text of the 2nd link follows: Quote: There were two big developments Monday in the case of a motorist who was shot and killed along Greenwell Springs Road Friday after a fight with a police officer. Investigators say an autopsy shows the deadly bullet was fired by a bystander, not the officer. Police also announced that no charges would be filed in the case, either against the police officer involved or the bystander who fired the fatal shot into the head of George Temple.
East Baton Rouge Sheriff's spokesman Greg Phares says Officer Brian Harrision was escorting a funeral procession Friday when he pulled Temple over and wrote him a ticket for breaking into the procession. According to Phares, that's when Temple attacked Harrison. Police say Perry Stevens was walking outside of the Auto Zone on Greenwell Springs Road when he heard Harrison yelling for help. Harrison was reportedly on his back with Temple on top of him. That's when Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.
According to Col. Greg Phares, "[Mr. Stevens] orders Mr. Temple to stop and get off the officer. The verbal commands are ignored and Mr. Stevens fires four shots, all of which struck Mr. Temple."
Perry Stevens fired four shots into Temple's torso. Officer Harrison had already fired one shot into Temple's abdomen. With Temple still struggling with the officer, Perry continued to advance toward the scuffle.
"He again orders Mr. Temple to stop what he was doing and get off the officer. Those commands are ignored and he fires a fifth shot and that hits his head. The incident is over with, and as you know, Mr. Temple is dead."
Police are calling the shooting death justified. Perry Stevens has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Col. Phares would not give out any more details relating to the shooting. Both Phares and Baton Rouge Police Chief Jeff LeDuff stopped short of crediting Stevens with saving the officer's life. LeDuff says the entire incident is unfortunate.
"I spoke with his father at the scene briefly," said LeDuff. "I think this is a tragic situation all around."
9 News is told George Temple has a criminal record, and Officer Harrison was involved in a shooting while employed as a prison guard in East Baton Rouge Parish, where he was suspended for three days back in 1995.
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sigman
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:26 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:20 am Posts: 1317 Location: Racine, MN
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They sure as hell don't want to credit a permit holder with saving someone. On the other hand, if he would have screwed up for some reason, we would definitely be hearing about it.
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gunflint
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:47 pm |
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5 shots to the torso? It brings the "Knock down power" discussion into perspective. 9mm I'm thinking. Maybe a .38. It would be interesting to find out.
_________________ "I wish it to be remembered that I was the last man of my tribe to surrender my rifle" Sitting Bull
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Greg
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:10 pm |
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Pat Cannon
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:20 pm |
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gunflint wrote: 5 shots to the torso? It brings the "Knock down power" discussion into perspective. 9mm I'm thinking. Maybe a .38. It would be interesting to find out.
Apparently it was a .45 -- just goes to show, no pistol shot is a sure stop.
according to the Baton Rouge Advocate at: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2343136.html
"...Stephens shot Temple with a .45-caliber handgun five times, four times in the chest and once in the head."
"At a news conference Monday, Phares [chief criminal deputy with the East Baton Rouge Sheriff’s Office] said Stephens walked out of the AutoZone and got his weapon after hearing Harrison, who was fighting with Temple on the ground, yell for help.
As Stephens, who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane, walked toward the men, he heard shots and Harrison again call for help.
At that point, Stephens asked Temple to get off Harrison, Phares said. When Temple did not comply, he shot Temple four times in the chest.
Stephens ordered Temple again to get off Harrison. When he did not comply, he shot Temple in the head, killing him, Phares said."
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mobocracy
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:08 pm |
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It's hard to argue with the outcome, but I'd like to see a show of hands of who wants J. Random Citizen shooting at someone who is physically on top of them.
Maybe if the citizen is Robbie Leatham, Doug Koenig or the like, but I don't think I'd want 1 in 10 guys I see at the range shooting at me that way...
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gunflint
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:21 pm |
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I read it twice and didn't pick up on the .45, long day. I think 4 to the chest and one to the head is pretty good shooting for a citizen under stress. Unless you're the guy on the bottom it would be hard to judge the situation.
_________________ "I wish it to be remembered that I was the last man of my tribe to surrender my rifle" Sitting Bull
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AGoodDay
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:36 pm |
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Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:06 pm Posts: 666 Location: St Cloud
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Here's the quote.
Quote: Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.
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Srigs
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:19 pm |
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Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:40 am Posts: 3752 Location: East Suburbs
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All I can say is dam good shooting! Completely justified.
_________________ Srigs
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"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton
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Prolix
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:20 pm |
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Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:33 pm Posts: 123 Location: Edina
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AGoodDay wrote: Here's the quote. Quote: Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.
Yeah, good thing the BG wasn't on top of him, huh?
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