Bill to remove closed case requirement for transporting
Author |
Message |
MostlyHarmless
|
Post subject: Bill to remove closed case requirement for transporting Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:13 pm |
|
Senior Member |
|
Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:24 pm Posts: 471 Location: 12 miles east of Lake Wobegon
|
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/37689829.html
1) Who's behind this?
2) Anyone have any facts on which states do and do not require firearms to be cased for transport?
3) Any data on states that have alternative or even conflicting laws, such as requiring guns to be plainly visible?
4) Anyone want to take a run at refuting the doubtful-sounding claim that states without a requirement to case for transport have more firearms-related injuries
5) Anyone want to take a run at refuting the implied claim that such injuries are somehow related to whether or not the gun is cased?
6) What is the history of this statute? Why was it enacted? Is this fundamentally a hunting restriction or a firearms restriction?
|
|
|
|
|
Mosin
|
Post subject: Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:38 pm |
|
Eagle-eyed watcher of legislation |
|
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:34 pm Posts: 185 Location: Bloomington
|
Maybe if they change the law about casing they will update it to clear up "carry" in a vehicle.
|
|
|
|
|
Pakrat
|
Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:01 am |
|
Forum Moderator/<br>AV Geek |
|
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:56 am Posts: 2422 Location: Hopkins, MN
|
|
|
|
|
Macx
|
Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:23 am |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:37 pm Posts: 1757 Location: Whittier
|
Pakrat, I really, really hope that is real and hope we can get it passed. That is the first sensible gun control law I have seen proposed.
_________________ Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a
lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become
a law unto himself; it invites anarchy .” Olmstead v. U.S., 277 U.S. 438
|
|
|
|
|
Dick Unger
|
Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:26 pm |
|
Joined: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:54 am Posts: 2444 Location: West Central MN
|
Cases are basically unsafe, because you can't really check the gun you are handling.
So is constant loading and unloading every time you enter a vehicle or start a boat motor.
|
|
|
|
|
Mosin
|
Post subject: Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:28 pm |
|
Eagle-eyed watcher of legislation |
|
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:34 pm Posts: 185 Location: Bloomington
|
|
|
|
|
AGoodDay
|
Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:52 pm |
|
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:06 pm Posts: 666 Location: St Cloud
|
_________________ Try not. Do or do not, but do not try. - Yoda
Never give up. Never, never, never. - Churchill
Stand on the shoulders of your giant.
|
|
|
|
|
PocketProtector642
|
Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:05 pm |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:36 am Posts: 702 Location: St. Paulish
|
Good Find AGoodDay Some clippings from the MN DNR 2009 Uncased Firearms Report Quote: The data charts on page 5 clearly indicate states that DO NOT have a cased firearms in a motor vehicle requirement have a significantly higher firearms related accident rate. If the law is modified to allow uncased firearms in motor vehicles, there is substantial statistical evidence this change will greatly increase the incidents of accidental firearms related injury and death of hunters in and around motor vehicles.
Modification of the current law risks changing the general public’s acceptance of hunting in Minnesota.
An additional benefit is police officer safety when dealing with drivers and passengers of motor vehicles
Q: Is there evidence that more accidents occur loading and unloading firearms and putting firearms in and out of cases than would occur if the firearm were not required to be cased? A: There is no specific data for comparison. Anytime firearms are handled and fired they need to be loaded. When and where they are loaded is usually the choice of the person using the firearm. A proportional percentage of firearms accidents do occur while loading and unloading in a field, side of the road, before crossing a fence, at a vehicle, unloading in a group setting, or cleaning in the basement of a home.
_________________ Proud owner of 2 wonderful SGH holsters. "If man will not work, he shall not eat" (2 Th 3:14) "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one" -Jesus (Luke 22:36)
|
|
|
|
|
DeanC
|
Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:00 pm |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:54 am Posts: 5270 Location: Minneapolis
|
How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?
_________________ I am defending myself... in favor of that!
|
|
|
|
|
Lenny7
|
Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:51 pm |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:09 am Posts: 1060 Location: Savage, MN
|
DeanC wrote: How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?
You don't need a law to prevent that. If it's your truck, you don't have to allow it. if it's someone else's truck, find a different truck to ride in.
|
|
|
|
|
cobb
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:13 am |
|
1911 tainted |
|
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:47 pm Posts: 3045
|
Lenny7 wrote: DeanC wrote: How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch? You don't need a law to prevent that. If it's your truck, you don't have to allow it. if it's someone else's truck, find a different truck to ride in.
Yes, exactly what I was thinking. I can make rational decisions for myself and do not need any nanny state to do it for me.
|
|
|
|
|
Traveler
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:54 am |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:46 pm Posts: 845 Location: Saint Paul
|
DeanC wrote: How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?
This one is easy. Outlaw 14-year-olds. Next.
|
|
|
|
|
DeanC
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:54 am Posts: 5270 Location: Minneapolis
|
Lenny7 wrote: if it's someone else's truck, find a different truck to ride in.
That works great 20 miles from town and there's only one truck.
It didn't happen to me, it happened to someone else in ND where it is legal. It makes for a spoiled hunting trip and bad business.
It's one of those stupid things you wouldn't think you'd have to ask about before booking the trip. "Uh, by the way, are your kids going to get fidgety and ride around with one in the tube?"
It's even worse when the father is a very long-time business associate and a top-notch, very responsible professional whom you pay thousands and thousands of dollars to every year. You wouldn't dream he'd permit this, but he does and it's legal. Besides, you aren't really road hunting anyhow, you are driving from field to field where you have permission to hunt.
It's a no-win situation in my opinion. You are basically giving carry rights in the car to anyone 14 and up (who already has a firearm safety certificate) with no new training. I'm sure DNR instructors would add a unit on that for all of our new classes and that would help. But I see so many downsides to it.
I like the freedom aspect of it, be our culture is so firearms knowledge impoverished it scares me.
_________________ I am defending myself... in favor of that!
|
|
|
|
|
mnglocker
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:27 pm |
|
Longtime Regular |
|
Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:04 pm Posts: 1682 Location: Wright County
|
DeanC wrote: I like the freedom aspect of it, be our culture is so firearms knowledge impoverished it scares me.
There's one easy way to get people familiarized. Let guns become even more main stream. And just to add; DAMNIT I WANT A GUN RACK IN MY PICK-UP.
_________________ Get Off My Lawn.
|
|
|
|
|
MostlyHarmless
|
Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:06 pm |
|
Senior Member |
|
Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:24 pm Posts: 471 Location: 12 miles east of Lake Wobegon
|
I don't think the bill changes the requirement for unloading.
|
|
|
|
|
This is a static archive the Twin Cities Carry forum, maintained as a public service by the current forum of record, The Minnesota Carry Forum.
All times are UTC - 6 hours
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 45 guests |
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum
|