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Author:  MostlyHarmless [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Bill to remove closed case requirement for transporting
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/37689829.html

1) Who's behind this?

2) Anyone have any facts on which states do and do not require firearms to be cased for transport?

3) Any data on states that have alternative or even conflicting laws, such as requiring guns to be plainly visible?

4) Anyone want to take a run at refuting the doubtful-sounding claim that states without a requirement to case for transport have more firearms-related injuries

5) Anyone want to take a run at refuting the implied claim that such injuries are somehow related to whether or not the gun is cased?

6) What is the history of this statute? Why was it enacted? Is this fundamentally a hunting restriction or a firearms restriction?
Author:  Mosin [ Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:38 pm ]
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Maybe if they change the law about casing they will update it to clear up "carry" in a vehicle.
Author:  Pakrat [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:01 am ]
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Of course a big fact of the current law is reported incorrectly. Unloaded and Cased, OR unloaded in trunk.

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0128.0.html&session=ls86

Holy shit. Anyone read this yet? I don't think this is just about hunting...

Added: Very simple bill. I think I love it.
Author:  Macx [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:23 am ]
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Pakrat, I really, really hope that is real and hope we can get it passed. That is the first sensible gun control law I have seen proposed.
Author:  Dick Unger [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:26 pm ]
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Cases are basically unsafe, because you can't really check the gun you are handling.

So is constant loading and unloading every time you enter a vehicle or start a boat motor.
Author:  Mosin [ Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:28 pm ]
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So is contacting each member of the Environment Policy and Oversight Committee the best step at this point?

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/c ... comm=86136
Author:  AGoodDay [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:52 pm ]
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Found something.

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/aboutdnr/r ... rearms.pdf
Author:  PocketProtector642 [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:05 pm ]
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AGoodDay wrote:
Found something.

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/aboutdnr/r ... rearms.pdf

Good Find AGoodDay :twisted:

Some clippings from the MN DNR 2009 Uncased Firearms Report

Quote:
The data charts on page 5 clearly indicate states that DO NOT have a cased firearms in a motor vehicle requirement have a significantly higher firearms related accident rate. If the law is modified to allow uncased firearms in motor vehicles, there is substantial statistical evidence this change will greatly increase the incidents of accidental firearms related injury and death of hunters in and around motor vehicles.

Modification of the current law risks changing the general public’s acceptance of hunting in Minnesota.

An additional benefit is police officer safety when dealing with drivers and passengers of motor vehicles

Q: Is there evidence that more accidents occur
loading and unloading firearms and putting firearms in
and out of cases than would occur if the firearm were not
required to be cased?
A: There is no specific data for comparison. Anytime
firearms are handled and fired they need to be loaded. When
and where they are loaded is usually the choice of the person
using the firearm. A proportional percentage of firearms
accidents do occur while loading and unloading in a field, side
of the road, before crossing a fence, at a vehicle, unloading in
a group setting, or cleaning in the basement of a home.
Author:  DeanC [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:00 pm ]
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How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?
Author:  Lenny7 [ Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:51 pm ]
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DeanC wrote:
How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?


You don't need a law to prevent that. If it's your truck, you don't have to allow it. if it's someone else's truck, find a different truck to ride in.
Author:  cobb [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:13 am ]
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Lenny7 wrote:
DeanC wrote:
How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?


You don't need a law to prevent that. If it's your truck, you don't have to allow it. if it's someone else's truck, find a different truck to ride in.

Yes, exactly what I was thinking. I can make rational decisions for myself and do not need any nanny state to do it for me.
Author:  Traveler [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:54 am ]
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DeanC wrote:
How many 14 year olds with loaded shotguns do you want sitting behind you riding in the truck getting all pumped up to jump some pheasants in the ditch?


This one is easy. Outlaw 14-year-olds. Next.
Author:  DeanC [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am ]
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Lenny7 wrote:
if it's someone else's truck, find a different truck to ride in.

That works great 20 miles from town and there's only one truck.

It didn't happen to me, it happened to someone else in ND where it is legal. It makes for a spoiled hunting trip and bad business.

It's one of those stupid things you wouldn't think you'd have to ask about before booking the trip. "Uh, by the way, are your kids going to get fidgety and ride around with one in the tube?"

It's even worse when the father is a very long-time business associate and a top-notch, very responsible professional whom you pay thousands and thousands of dollars to every year. You wouldn't dream he'd permit this, but he does and it's legal. Besides, you aren't really road hunting anyhow, you are driving from field to field where you have permission to hunt.

It's a no-win situation in my opinion. You are basically giving carry rights in the car to anyone 14 and up (who already has a firearm safety certificate) with no new training. I'm sure DNR instructors would add a unit on that for all of our new classes and that would help. But I see so many downsides to it.

I like the freedom aspect of it, be our culture is so firearms knowledge impoverished it scares me.
Author:  mnglocker [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:27 pm ]
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DeanC wrote:
I like the freedom aspect of it, be our culture is so firearms knowledge impoverished it scares me.


There's one easy way to get people familiarized. Let guns become even more main stream. And just to add; DAMNIT I WANT A GUN RACK IN MY PICK-UP. 8) :twisted:
Author:  MostlyHarmless [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:06 pm ]
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I don't think the bill changes the requirement for unloading.
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