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 Mpls SWAT Manages to Not Quite Kill Innocent Family 
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With the newshounds around here, the odds of posting a scoop at 11am are very low.

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that's certainly true, particularly on this subject. And I often suspect the more spectacular the story, the less searching is done anyway ... but let's make it as easy as possible :-)

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This could have been really bad. Luckily LE had vests on to protect them. I carry even in the home so someone ramming their way through my door would have quickly met a .45 or two. It sounds on the surface that the homeowner did nothing wrong, he protected his home from an invasion with a firearm, just as I am sure we all would do.

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I thought I had heard on one of the news reports that the homeowner was shooting .45ACP rounds. Maybe didn't penetrate the vest but I would be surprised if any hits didn't leave a mark. The Hmong are a people of hunters, the cops were damn lucky they were not struck with something on the order of a .300 WinMag or .308 FMJ. I don't think I would want to push vest performance against one of these loads.

I am willing to bet a pop that the City will settle this out of court (buy off the publicity). Just recently Mpls settled with the undercover Hmong officer and now this. Seems that they will be writing a few more checks. I'm sure we would be hearing one hell of a drum beat if this had happened to a family of the black community. The usual "suspects" would be all over this (and with plenty of justification).

The use of these SWAT teams has gotten way out of hand. I think it's fair to speculate that there are a lot of people out there that would do the same as this fellow did. Some innocent person or officer is going to get killed.

I have heard that the family has contacted a lawyer. It will be interesting to see who that might be.

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Home owner used a shotgun and he spoke no english. Waited for the 'intruders' to go though the 1st floor and on the way up the stairs they were met with a 2 shotgun blasts...

Other officers returned fire - but the home owner was not injured...

Lucky indeed for all involved.

Maybe knock next time... :roll:

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I just wish the officers involved had to pay the damages out of their 401K's. Any other settlement is just tax payer dollars and does not hurt the police dept at all. OR make the settlement come out of operations budget, so that no raises go out when morons like this make these kinds of mistakes. Lets see how long they are tolerated in the PD when pay raises or retirement funds are hit.

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As it is, you'll notice that the cops who fired twenty to thirty rounds into the house are being given paid time off. Perhaps that's a punishment in some circles, but in many others that's called a "vacation."

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But the homeowner was apparently taken in immediately for questioning. They must have just forgot he needed "time off" to collect his thoughts too....


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doing this type of raid is necessary 90% of the time.


I assume you mean unnecessary...


You are correct. I changed it.

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I saw the homeowner on television. He speaks English quite well.

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Home owner used a shotgun and he spoke no english. Waited for the 'intruders' to go though the 1st floor and on the way up the stairs they were met with a 2 shotgun blasts...

Other officers returned fire - but the home owner was not injured...

Lucky indeed for all involved.

Maybe knock next time... :roll:

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I saw the homeowner on television. He speaks English quite well.

You sure it wasn't Dao Khang, the brother, that was speaking on TV?


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ree wrote:
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I saw the homeowner on television. He speaks English quite well.

You sure it wasn't Dao Khang, the brother, that was speaking on TV?
That's the one who I saw.

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. . . over on the Livejournal.

Compare the Strib and PP coverage; why is the Strib's so consistently lame?

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This is quite unusual in that you almost never get an apology from police. It also chaps my butt when I read, “The case will be reviewed by the Hennepin County attorney's office, but authorities said it's doubtful that Khang will be charged with any crime.”. You are darn right it is “DOUBTFUL”. He did nothing wrong. He protected his family and property from an invader just as we all would do. It is like they are saying “we’re watching you peons just in case you overstep your bounds”.

http://www.startribune.com/local/12578176.html

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http://www.startribune.com/local/12578176.html
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Minneapolis police apologize for raid that led to gunfire

By DAVID CHANEN, Star Tribune

Last update: December 18, 2007 - 12:52 AM

Sunday's high-risk search by Minneapolis police of a house on the city's North Side was to be one of the last pieces in a long-term investigation focused on violent gang members.

But minutes after a SWAT team entered the house about 12:30 a.m., things went awry. The homeowner, a father of six, thinking the intruders were burglars, fired at them through a bedroom wall. He hit two officers, one in the back and one in the head, but both were uninjured because they were wearing protective armor. Police shot back, but did not hit him.

Hours later, police officials were apologizing to the homeowner, Vang Khang, admitting that they had erred based on bad information from an informant.

That informant was the alleged victim of a violent crime at a house, which is in the 1300 block of Logan Avenue N.

Police said they had no reason to believe the information was inaccurate. They had the right address on the warrant, but the house wasn't occupied by anybody they wanted.

The case will be reviewed by the Hennepin County attorney's office, but authorities said it's doubtful that Khang will be charged with any crime.

"We've apologized to the family, and the city is making every effort to repair any damages to his home as quickly as possible," said Lt. Amelia Huffman, head of the homicide unit.

Huffman's unit, as well as the internal affairs unit, also will review the case.

Gang members sought

The search warrant police were working with was part of an investigation by the department's Violent Offender Task Force, which typically goes after the most violent gang members and drug dealers. In the past two years, the investigation has dismantled at least three violent gangs, with several suspects arrested and many weapons seized.

The warrant was typical for this kind of investigation, Huffman said. It was designated high-risk and "no knock" because officers expected to find weapons, which is why a SWAT team was involved.

When police entered, the officers called out, "Police!" as they searched the home's first floor. They didn't find anybody, so went to the second floor. At a small landing at the top of the stairs, they again shouted, "Police!" Huffman said.

Shots came through the walls and doors as officers searched two bedrooms, police said. It was Khang, 34, shooting from a third bedroom.

There were children in the other bedrooms, and the officers quickly realized there was a language barrier. The older children were able to communicate to their father that police were in the house and to stop shooting, Huffman said.

All six of the family's children, who range in age from 3 to 15, were home at the time.

Khang's wife, Yee Moua, said she was watching TV on the first floor when she heard voices and windows breaking. She ran upstairs to tell her husband.

Khang said he grabbed a gun from a closet and fired three shots. When his sons yelled at him that the intruders were police, he put down his gun and put his hands in the air.

"The whole family is badly shaken and still trying to understand what happened," Moua said.

After police interviewed Khang's family, it became clear they had no connection to the case, Huffman said. But the address listed on the warrant was the one police had gotten from the informant.

"This house was part of a package of very credible information that resulted in other successful enforcement actions," she said. "This was the end of a chain of things, and there was no reason to question the credibility of the information."

All relieved no one was hurt

On Monday, officers involved in the shootout were on paid administrative leave, standard in such cases.

Meanwhile, the Khangs' back door and several windows were boarded up.

Ron Edwards, co-chairman of the Police Community Relations Council, questioned what police do when informants pass on bad information.

"It wasn't a very pleasant situation up there," he said. "I'm glad police had all that protective armor on. With so many children inside, it was lucky nobody was injured."

The Associated Press contributed to this report. David Chanen • 612-673-4465

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