A whole another can of worms
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ein brera
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Post subject: A whole another can of worms Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:37 pm |
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Have any of you instructors considered a reduced price for those of us who would like to take your course too, in addition to another instructor’s class? You would not have to issue certificates, nor qualification exercise, so you would offer your wisdom only.
If this is a politically incorrect question, feel free to flame me.
P.S. How does the management feel about reserving one tiny thread under Training and Education for good gun-related links?
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DeanC
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:42 pm |
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I think some instructors have even offered to not charge people who wanted to audit their class. If you want the certificate, that costs.
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joelr
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Post subject: Re: A whole another can of worms Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:57 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:43 am Posts: 7970 Location: Minneapolis MN
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ein brera wrote: Have any of you instructors considered a reduced price for those of us who would like to take your course too, in addition to another instructor’s class? You would not have to issue certificates, nor qualification exercise, so you would offer your wisdom only.
If this is a politically incorrect question, feel free to flame me.
Perfectly fair question, although I'm not shy, and -- quick demonstration of my lack of shyness -- unfond of the suggestion that political correctness is a policy here.
I offer a $50 discount for people who have a carry permit but haven't yet taken my class, and a $100 discount for my students who want to take it again, whether for a renewal or just as a refresher. Details at the obvious place. (And, yes, somebody who has taken another class, and then taken my class is one of "my students" for purposes of further refreshers after that.)
I do issue certificates in such cases, although I don't insist that folks take them. Shooting a qual is, of course, optional -- unless, also of course, you want a certificate. (I won't issue a MN certificate without a qual, for the obvious reasons: it's wrong, and it's fraud.)
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joelr
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:59 pm |
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And, just to add on: I strongly encourage folks who have taken an inadequate class to take a good one. My encouragement and four bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks.
_________________ Just a guy.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:34 pm |
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Fubar
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:36 pm |
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I have to admit I'm considering allowing my permit to expire because resources are tight right now. I originally took Joel's course and even attended his class again a couple of years ago when a friend didn't want to go alone (I paid for a certificate for a utah permit). Back then with a different job it was easy to invest in my education, unfortunately now, not so much.
I have to admit, Joel's heavy discount to previous students is rather tempting...
I also considered finding the absolute cheapest class I could find (so far that's $75) and then audit a more respected instructor's class but in the end I considered that unethical.
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princewally
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:43 pm |
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Fubar wrote: I also considered finding the absolute cheapest class I could find (so far that's $75) and then audit a more respected instructor's class
It is possible to do both at the same time at that price.
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ein brera
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:03 am |
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<B>DeanC</B>
I was kind of hoping that would be the case; again, I think above my pay grade (the more education the better).
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ein brera
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:04 am |
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<B>Joelr</B>
Sorry to disturb your harmony. [Note to self: strike 9.]
I am pretty sure that one day I’ll take your class. I thank you for your offer.
One more thing, how does the management feel about adding a link collection to the Training and Education section?
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ein brera
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:05 am |
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<B>Andrew Rothman</B>
Quote: Donate $50 to the MADFI permit denial legal fund and you can sit in on my class and do a good deed at the same time.
Mr. Rothman, that was such a kind gesture that I decided to send my donation to MADFI regardless (whether or not my schedule ever agrees with yours). What is the address fo MADFI?
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phorvick
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:11 am |
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Re auditing for info only (not for paperwork etc)...
Subject to space being available, that has been my policy since day #1. All we ask is for any range or classroom fee that we are charged be reimbursed.
_________________ Paul Horvick
http://shootingsafely.com
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Contact us to schedule a class for you and your friends, and check our website for more information http://shootingsafely.com
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Sipowicz
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:56 am |
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Fubar wrote: I have to admit I'm considering allowing my permit to expire because resources are tight right now. I originally took Joel's course and even attended his class again a couple of years ago when a friend didn't want to go alone (I paid for a certificate for a utah permit). Back then with a different job it was easy to invest in my education, unfortunately now, not so much.
I feel that pain, as that is a key factor for me. That and scheduling. I'm still hoping to renew; I have a couple offers via PM (thanks!) and know hot to find schedules for others here. Having just bought a house and spending a lot of additional money for appliances and paint, and recent body work on one of the car's has me quite strapped for cash for a bit.
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TeamSpringFieldXD
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:10 am |
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ein brera wrote: <B>Andrew Rothman</B> Quote: Donate $50 to the MADFI permit denial legal fund and you can sit in on my class and do a good deed at the same time. Mr. Rothman, that was such a kind gesture that I decided to send my donation to MADFI regardless (whether or not my schedule ever agrees with yours). What is the address fo MADFI?
IMO i feel a strong sense of Sarcasm...I could be wrong its happened before but....
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e5usmc
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:11 am |
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ein brera wrote: <B>Joelr</B> Sorry to disturb your harmony. [Note to self: strike 9.] I am pretty sure that one day I’ll take your class. I thank you for your offer. One more thing, how does the management feel about adding a link collection to the Training and Education section?
http://www.twincitiescarry.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:12 am |
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TeamSpringFieldXD wrote: ein brera wrote: <B>Andrew Rothman</B> Quote: Donate $50 to the MADFI permit denial legal fund and you can sit in on my class and do a good deed at the same time. Mr. Rothman, that was such a kind gesture that I decided to send my donation to MADFI regardless (whether or not my schedule ever agrees with yours). What is the address fo MADFI? IMO i feel a strong sense of Sarcasm...I could be wrong its happened before but....
Nah, it's serious. Address sent. Thanks, Mr. Brera. Anyone else who would like to chip in a few bucks is also welcome to.
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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