North Memorial Medical Center and all its clinics
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Red XIII
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Post subject: North Memorial Medical Center and all its clinics Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:14 am |
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The head honchos wont budge on this one. The weapons policy vows to discipline defensive actions!
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plblark
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:18 am |
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Red XIII
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:26 am |
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Thx Plb!
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Re: North Memorial Medical Center and all its clinics Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:29 am |
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Red XIII wrote: The head honchos wont budge on this one. The weapons policy vows to discipline defensive actions!
Red XIII
I take it you mean that they will discipline their employees, since they can't do anything to visitors except ask them to leave.
Could you give us a little more detail about how you found this out? Did you talk to some honchos?
Oh, and welcome!
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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Red XIII
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:05 pm |
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Sorry, should've been clearer...they post signs banning firearms (for permit-holders), the policy is towards employees. I work in EMS on ambulances, yes, blocking a punch w/a clipboard is a violation of their policies. I know of employees who were told not to press assault charges against violent patients b/c NMMC didn't want any press about it. They also cannot use handcuffs as restraints. NMMC will give a lifetime/onetime reimbursement fee of $300 for a Bullettproof vest, but employees are discouraged from wearing them.
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Andrew Rothman
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:15 pm |
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Red XIII wrote: Sorry, should've been clearer...they post signs banning firearms (for permit-holders), the policy is towards employees. I work in EMS on ambulances, yes, blocking a punch w/a clipboard is a violation of their policies. I know of employees who were told not to press assault charges against violent patients b/c NMMC didn't want any press about it. They also cannot use handcuffs as restraints. NMMC will give a lifetime/onetime reimbursement fee of $300 for a Bullettproof vest, but employees are discouraged from wearing them.
Red
Wow. Nice place to work! Don't you guys have a union?
_________________ * NRA, UT, MADFI certified Minnesota Permit to Carry instructor, and one of 66,513 law-abiding permit holders. Read my blog.
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Red XIII
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:24 pm |
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The medics/emts there aren't union (they've tried). I'm not sure if Allina is/isn't, HCMC medics are, as are fire-police medics.
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Tick Slayer
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:46 pm |
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Red XIII wrote: Sorry, should've been clearer...they post signs banning firearms (for permit-holders), the policy is towards employees. I work in EMS on ambulances, yes, blocking a punch w/a clipboard is a violation of their policies. I know of employees who were told not to press assault charges against violent patients b/c NMMC didn't want any press about it. They also cannot use handcuffs as restraints. NMMC will give a lifetime/onetime reimbursement fee of $300 for a Bullettproof vest, but employees are discouraged from wearing them.
Red
See, now this is not encouraging news. It's downright stupid policy.
I knew that North uses soft restraints and the instructors I've met from North encourage EMTs and medics to get a cop to ride along with a violent patient, but I hadn't heard of the extreme prejudice against self-protection.
Is this your particular location that prohibits self-defense? And are all self-defense actions prohibited?
Is Gold Cross any better?
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Red XIII
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:48 pm |
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Using any equipment they carry in a defensive manner violates their policy. They aren't even supposed to have a flashlight bigger than 2 "C" batteries. I'm not sure on Gold Cross either (or Lifelink, but Lifelink only does transfers, no 911s)
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Tick Slayer
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:25 pm |
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Does Lifelink have any ground units or are they all air?
Have you had experience with having to defend yourself physically on the job or do you know anyone who has? I'm sort of thinking this direction (taking the EMT-B class now) and would like to know what to expect.
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Mike
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:22 pm |
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Life Link has a pretty big fleet of ground units. HCMC is pretty much the only service to supply cuffs and vests as they take their crews' safety pretty seriously. New hires will no longer be full boat County employees, though.
A lot of places don't permit the use of equipment for defense, per se, but simply must allow you to avoid injury. I suspect it's a case of bad policy lawyering. That's what the union is for.
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mnMark
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:08 pm |
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Mike wrote: Life Link has a pretty big fleet of ground units. HCMC is pretty much the only service to supply cuffs and vests as they take their crews' safety pretty seriously. New hires will no longer be full boat County employees, though.
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Quick food for thought on the HCMC EMS staff, as I run into them pretty much every day ~
I'm an (ex) EMT, trained by Gold Cross St Cloud ....in some of the class work up there, we discussed the HCMC staff - they look very, very close to a sheriff - in terms of dress browns and belt gear (cuffs, oc). The Gold Cross folk, in their opinion, though that was bad since it painted the care-givers more as law enforcement..which could be dangerous since some bad guys may come after them thinking they're cops. It's not to say they shouldn't carry defensive tools, but they preferred their own white shirt / black pant combo, as it did not match any LEOs in that area.
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Red XIII
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:45 pm |
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Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:09 am Posts: 352 Location: Minnesota
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mnMark, true, they also have badges, but they're really weird shaped.
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